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Gaile Gray · Oct 17, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

I'd rather pay in-game money to change my characters hair. I didn't say I wouldn't want the option in GW2. I'm saying that if thats the route they are going to take with GW2 (making you pay for anything and everything in the game with real money), then I'd rather just play a pay-to-play MMO. Honestly, where will paying for stuff in the in-game store end? Guild Hall upgrades? Access to armor? Access to UW? I'd rather just pay a monthly fee'd game and get access to everything.

The point is, you don't. You don't get free server moves, or free name changes, or free account merging, or other things of that nature. The thing is, you obviously have no clue what has been added to the game -- for free -- since it came out. Sorrow's Furnace is a small percentage of the additional content and features that we have added without cost.

And yes, jrk247, I will continue to point out what other games do, because we need to get in check a misplaced sense of entitlement and help people understand reality. Guild Wars players bought a game or games which we support very, very well. But it's unrealistic, unpleasant, and unfair to have people continue to clamor for everything, forever, and for free. Some thing are, like that credit card says, "priceless." But other things do have a real world cost, and if they are offered, it is realistic to expect to recoup that cost.

Masseur · Oct 17, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Well said Gaile as always.

lacasner · Oct 17, 2007, 01:07 AM // 01:07

I think that most of this community gives too much ambiguous input about desired changes.

Really, after thinking about it a little bit more, I have no idea why anyone from Anet bothers to read these forums or anything of this nature. Their money is in the bank, and the cash cow is being squeezed for the last amount of milk left.

Gaile is precisely right, and Anet has made very smart business decisions in the regard she stated. But, (in my personal opinion) this has caused the game to shrivel down where many players are retired and not playing often. I consider myself in this group now truthfully, but I hold no regrets for spending all the time playin' this game(especially prophecies).

Basically, everyone from ArenaNet good job, I just dislike ambiguity in general, from these forum users here to dev reps who try to mediate situations.

Perhaps if this "no monthly fee" wasn't so nicely decorated and lucrative looking on the box people would think a little bit what it really meant.

Neriandal Freit · Oct 17, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

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Gaile - well said! Honestly, well said! Very few people here on the Guru Forums anymore understand and appreciate the spectrum you've just shown and spoke about. None of these people who are doing the complaining and wanting free stuff understand "That nothing is life is free, it costs someone something somewhere." concept. Because of it, this forum has suffered greatly, which leads into the next paragraph...

I highly do and appreciate what the company you work for does for us on a daily basis. Right now, yeah I'm a bit bored with Guild Wars, but I think that is because my life is so hectic and so many people just use heroes that it's bored me a bti, but with Gw2 on it's way, I've got several titles (like FoW/UW) I'd love to get a hold of now!

Hair? Be awesome!
Can I wait until Gw2? Yes!
Would I pay for this feature if it helps keep ANet going? Absolutely!

Those of you complaining: STOP

Not one of you understand any thing and believe your selves to be the best at this game, yet you want everything. Earn it. Play this game inside and out like many of us who have been with this game for two years (and some, more) to know what it takes for a company to offer free game play for it's players with out asking you, but OFFERS you the ability to buy things you don't NEED like some games Gaile touched on.

Those of you who are complaining on such a regular basis, then leave Guild Wars and be done with. I'm sure ANet doesn't want players who constantly want do nothing to show for it but whine to their team members who goes out day-to-day, to come on to many Guild Wars forums, speaks with us to let us know of what they are doing and to know that they hear what we want.

Gaile,
Thank you

Age · Oct 17, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

We did not ask for a gender change or a name change all we asked for was a hair and if possible a face and hight change.I don't know what makes this more different than a cape change that is relatively easy to do.The only other option is and that is to get the player to do it for you if you supply them the tools,files and coding and then they can work on it like a mod.

What makes this a some what of a big deal is that upon creation and when you go to presearing your char looks fine.When you go to post it looks different in away eg my Ele looks taller in post than pre.This should only take one person to work on this and I thought it would be a feature in EoTN as I saw video and some explaining that you could.There was a certain button by the play button.What can the players do to make it a go?You do accept fan made material as I read in eula.

Captain Gerome · Oct 17, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Those of you complaining: STOP

Allllllright Hitler......

Neriandal Freit · Oct 17, 2007, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Captain Gerome

Allllllright Hitler......

You, my friend, are one of the finest examples of what Gaile Gray and ANet has to put up with when they shouldn't have to put up with it at all.

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Here is a great example within our own forums of ANet paying attention to the players. Please take a look at this thread to understand.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0193066&page=2

BOMBA!

Spazzer · Oct 17, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

You're content, so no one should get the option to change? What the hell kind of logic is that?

What is the logic in forcing other people to work on adding changes if you're the only one not content?

A winner is me.

Halmyr · Oct 17, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

You can just see the intelect over floing *sarcasm*

The reasons I personaly defend gender change ealier in this thread is because people were simple

1) Onoz! is Ickee!
2) No roleplaying reasons to have it >=(
3) I don't need it so no one else does either.

But technical reasons is a good reasons. For one I would certanly look into buying a sex change for a character :P

I would say that A-net has over all made a real good job, even doh I don't accept all of there decision (

can't agree all the time eh!)

I've been playing since the original release, I'm still happy and content with the game now, and will hopefully be able to play for many more hours.

Karyuu · Oct 17, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Age

We did not ask for a gender change or a name change all we asked for was a hair and if possible a face and hight change.

What? Who is "we"? Because I remember the majority of this thread included people debating with each other on the ability to change your character gender.

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I don't know what makes this more different than a cape change that is relatively easy to do.

Precisely, you don't know just how complicated the code behind the cape change mechanism is, and how long it might have taken to develop. Unless you are familiar with some aspects of game programming and understand these things from the backend, I think it's rude to claim that something is easy or no harder than something else. Try not to assume how things work.

Whirlwind · Oct 17, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Government Flu

Because quite obviously, Good Sir Knight should be able to save the world in high heels. No, no, no. If a player needs to change the sex of his/her character, then quite obviously they lack the commitment or foresight to play an RPG. Either that, or they need to take a break, because the day I seriously consider my character's sex should change is the day I need to take a year long vacation from the game.

What lol? Oohhh big deal.. once again whoever is paying can make their own decisions ... And it sure doesn't have anything to do with commitment, its still the same char either way and nothing would change except character skin. I think you take things a little too seriously ) Put in all cosmetic changes IMO.

Age · Oct 17, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

What? Who is "we"? Because I remember the majority of this thread included people debating with each other on the ability to change your character gender.

This is who we are http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=21525

Whirlwind · Oct 17, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Yes, please. I'd really like to see that happen, too.

Adding an "appearance changer" is far more complex than toggling a male/female swap for a character, as we did on April 1st. Some suggest hair dressers, instead of a complete new-look option. I have never denied, nor would I, that we can do a gender switch with programming. It's possible that the programmers could do additional changes, with hugely more complex programming, but that work would most likely be made even more complicated by the fact that few players would be content with a gender swap, they'd want the full deal: all hair choices, all face choices, a height selector, etc.

I do agree with you guys that having such options -- any or all of them -- would be great. But the designers tell me we will not be adding these features to Guild Wars for very logical reasons, such as time, the long path involved in moving towards other projects, etc. We honestly cannot stop some staff members' involvement in the development on Guild Wars 2 to spend months on this feature, and I believe I understand that it would take months. (Consider how long Hard Mode took each time, and Reconnects, for a point of reference.)

We will, of course, consider the possibilities of appearance change options, even as an in-game store option (which some players have suggested), for Guild Wars 2. In the meantime, we have been talking about other fun options that are not completely out of the realm of possibility and which may find their way into Guild Wars. It's too early to talk about them yet, but we'll see.

I don't understand =( All these options are already in the game for when you create a new character. Personally, id be happy with just having the option to change between the already existing options, even if you have to log to character select screen to do so before logging in, or paying a npc to set you up to be able to do it next time ya log in.

Gaile are you talking about full customization with new skins or already existing skins? Couldn't take too long for the devs to add a few switchs here and there, pointing to existing content? I guess all im asking is please give us access to things you can already pick at character creation... i think that would make a LOT of people happy.

Kakumei · Oct 17, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

What is the logic in forcing other people to work on adding changes if you're the only one not content?

A winner is me.

Who on earth is "forcing"? By all means, let me know when I've flown over to Washington and held the development team at gunpoint, demanding they add in this feature.

I'm making a suggestion of something that would be appreciated by a vast majority of players. I have no idea about the coding or time requirements it would take, thus I'm not saying "wtf anet add this in or i'm quitting". If it's not feasible at the time being, then so be it.

Whereas you're saying "uh, I wouldn't use it, so therefore I'm the most important person around and Anet should listen to me because I'm the best look at me everyone my advice is better than everyone else's".

Spazzer · Oct 17, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

I don't understand =(

Designer says no.

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Who on earth is "forcing"? By all means, let me know when I've flown over to Washington and held the development team at gunpoint, demanding they add in this feature.

I'm making a suggestion of something that would be appreciated by a vast majority of players. I have no idea about the coding or time requirements it would take, thus I'm not saying "wtf anet add this in or i'm quitting". If it's not feasible at the time being, then so be it.

You tried to make your arguement a democracy, and apparently you don't like the arguement if the variable is against you.

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Whereas you're saying "uh, I wouldn't use it, so therefore I'm the most important person around and Anet should listen to me because I'm the best look at me everyone my advice is better than everyone else's".

You're just bitter because you regret your average character design skills.

Kakumei · Oct 17, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

You tried to make your arguement a democracy, and apparently you don't like the arguement if the variable is against you.

At the time, I had no idea that it would be unfeasible. Regardless, that doesn't mean that I'm trying to make it a 'democracy'--just because a lot of players want something doesn't mean it's best for the game, but conversely, just because some players don't want something doesn't mean it's bad for the game, either.

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You're just bitter because you regret your average character design skills.

I'm perfectly happy with all of my characters, as I spent much time at creation to ensure I'd be satisfied permanently. I simply tend to think along with the "more options = more fun" category.

Nice try at a direct attack, though, I guess.

Karyuu · Oct 17, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

All these options are already in the game for when you create a new character. Personally, id be happy with just having the option to change between the already existing options, even if you have to log to character select screen to do so before logging in, or paying a npc to set you up to be able to do it next time ya log in.

Yep, those options are exactly what the thread (and Gaile's replies) are about. Not adding new choices, but being able to switch between existing customization options. However, you have to keep in mind that those choices were programmed only for the character creation process, and it's not a simple matter to make them available elsewhere (and make sure they are bug-free). It's a whole other world to create the code for players to be able to change the visual appearance of their character, once that character has been zoned into the gameplay. It may seem like a really easy thing to do from the outside, because as you said - those options are already there. But they are there within one scenario and one scenario only: initial character creation. And game programmers can't exactly go "Alright, so do this, but here" without investing a lot of time in the venture.

Hope this helps a bit :>

Whirlwind · Oct 17, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02

In that case, add it to the game and to the in game store imo. Like was pointed out several times this game is free to continue to play and spending production time on things should cost money, just like it costs money to develop them. But honestly how much can you charge for such a thing? A one time $10 fee to allow you to customize when you see fit? That would add up nicely with several thousand people buying it.

Karyuu · Oct 17, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Well, what they're going to do is still up to speculation, and concrete details like price are probably moot to debate at this point - since the feature hasn't even fully been confirmed yet.

If GW2 will have more options for character customizations though, I think it'll go in a pretty sweet direction :]

Lord Xeshm · Oct 17, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

The only change I would support would be hair changing. You can easily grow hair and cut it;make it whatever way you want.